The more I delve into history, the more I get a better idea of what the founders had in mind in creating our Government.
I have no doubt in my mind the Pilgrims/Early settlers were a religious people. I have no doubt in early America, Christianity was 99% of the religious makeup of the country. At that time, religious groups attempted to force strict religious observance and rules on the citizens. Laws mandated everyone to attend services and to pay taxes to fund the salary of the ministers. Those who wanted to worship differently or may have been a non-Christian faith were often persecuted. In short, back in those days religion controlled people and government. I won’t even argue that our Founding Fathers, Laws and everything else had a certain degree of Christian influence but I will argue that when it came to the founding of our Country and the American Revolution, they were influenced by so much more than just Christianity.
I would argue that the Christian influence, pre-enlightenment, likely helped them decided it best to build a Government outside the influence of religion. There was a great deal of infighting between the different sects of Christianity, often times requests were made to the Government to intervene.
During those times, the influence of the Enlightenment era was spreading through Europe. Many of our Founders were influenced by The Enlightenment era was a time of “‘Secularization’, the process whereby religious observation became an optional rather than a necessary dimension of social life.” (The Enlightenment – John Robertson pg 15). Naturally, in forming a new Government our founding fathers utilized these ideals. I don’t think it is necessary to understand what our founding fathers religions were, just to understand what they wanted out of the Government. The Federal Government did not want to get involved with religious matters and pushed matters of religion off to the states.
Some states had religious laws which regulated who could hold public office!
XXXII. That no person, who shall deny the being of God or the truth of the Protestant religion, or the divine authority either of the Old or New Testaments, or who shall hold religious principles incompatible with the freedom and safety of the State, shall be capable of holding any office or place of trust or profit in the civil department within this State
-North Carolina Constitution of 1776
(http://press-pubs.uchicago.edu/founders/documents/amendI_religions29.html)
but wait… Article VI, Clause 3 of the Constitution states:
…no religious test shall ever be required as a qualification to any office or public trust under the United States.
Just an example of the point I made above how the Federal Government pushed these decisions on the state. Some states still have these laws on the books. Imagine in this day and age if someone who was Catholic, Baptist, Lutheran, Jewish, Buddhist, Islamic or Atheist were told they couldn’t run for public office because they are not Protestant?
Depending on who you argue with, there is a great deal of quotes you can find in support of religious and non-religious founding fathers, some could be considered Deist, Catholic, Protestant, Angelica, gosh some people during that time accused Thomas Jefferson of being atheist, he also extracted non-mystical items in the bible and created “The Jefferson Bible”… or “The Life and Morals of Jesus or Nazareth”. There was controversy with George Washington attending church services but not receiving Communion. As I wrote in one of my previous blogs (see James Madison), I pointed out how he spelled out what the founding fathers intended. This is just a small sampling of the complicated debate on the religious beliefs of the founders. …but imagine for a moment if they had a belief in God that was not the same as what was acceptable in that day and age, imagine if they announced they were atheist? Either answer and they would be heretics! I think they were pretty vague for that very reason.
The religion of the country did not matter to them, they all looked at religion and the new Government subjectively and with “Secularization” in mind….It was all about Enlightenment!
Interesting exploration. I haven’t thought about this topic for awhile, at least going back to the founding fathers. It is so excellent to have forced religion or governance based on religious dogma absent from this critical document. One might like it, as long as they are doing the religious interpretation. The Constitution is a testament to human fallibility which is both a secular and religious principle. Therein exists no confidence in the divine right of kings or individual persistence in logic. Also, Lutherans and Baptists are Protestants. But nice post.
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Thanks for the correction, I was looking for a little chicken soup list of religions.
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You’re welcome, and also on further reflection and reading of this article I have to take exception to the final motivations section. Enlightenment, for sure. But Enlightenment was eventually mired in fear and “Secularization”. I believe the founders were seeking something more dangerous and more beautiful. Plausible pluralism. No one’s religion has to be governmentally strangled in order for the others to exist. Let me speak plainly. Do I believe Jesus Christ is Lord and Savior? 100%. Do I believe Jesus is so weak as to need a government to be His hit man and take out other religions? No. Truth is Truth is Truth. A constitutional republic is a beautiful admission of man’s inability to handle his own affairs. It necessitates a level of altruism human beings do not inherently possess. If people want to ignore that and pretend we are running the show, that is up to them. Make no mistake, I believe we live in a heavenly monarchy and are allowed the semblance of control so that we might take action and endeavor to create a more loving state. But my belief does not necessitate your agreement or adherence to any extra-constitutional action I might take. I am called to be a servant at this time. If I can even half-way love my family, friends, and acquaintances I will confirm that miracles are real. People drive me crazy, chief among them, me. I hope many more people weigh in on this significant topic.
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I don’t think there’s much I disagree with. I would agree that the founders probably wanted someplace anyone could call home, regardless if they believed in “…no gods or twenty gods…” (Jefferson).
We are governed because without it, there would be anarchy. I can’t think of any civilization that has never had a hierarchy, even Indian tribes had the elders.
“If people want to ignore that and pretend we are running the show, that is up to them. ” This is were we disagree, somewhat. I don’t believe there is a god running the show, I believe man runs the show. (Except we don’t make the earth go round, have no control of the universe..etc. This would be a mystery to me- God to you).
I have sat in the middle on many a religious debate and felt the jagged punches of opinions from both sides. It is often a misunderstanding of the others “beliefs” and the innuendo made of the other belief that usually gets these discussions rocking. Gaining a true understanding of others, accepting them, being sincere, compassionate and impartial…. but as you stated “It necessitates a level of altruism…” that not many human beings possess. 🙂
Having been in on religious debates, I’d love to get a feel for how people of varying religious beliefs feel about this as well. Usually I just hear from the Atheist or Christian. (and the the sparks fly)
Thanks for your post!
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I agree with hearing other voices (not that I’m hearing voices). What I do believe, and I would imagine most people believe is that True Truth exists outside the influence of my belief. I don’t define Truth by my will and understanding. What’s True is True regardless of my opinion. I remember in college when I got into a mini-debate with an atheist friend of mine. On that particular day, his arguing skills were far surpassing mine, and more importantly they were addressing an element of my faith I had not really considered. After departing in dejection I had a revelation. Whatever was true at the beginning of the conversation was still true at the end, regardless of rhetorical prowess. I slept just fine that night.
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